هل العدد الذي يقول لكن نجنا من الشرير محرف ؟ لوقا 11: 4

 

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الشبهة 

 

يقول البعض ان العدد الذي في لوقا 11: 4 " و اغفر لنا خطايانا لاننا نحن ايضا نغفر لكل من يذنب الينا و لا تدخلنا في تجربة لكن نجنا من الشرير " محرف لان تعبير لكن نجنا من الشرير غير موجود في بقية التراجم العبري

 

الرد

 

لنتاكد من اي قراءه هي الصحيحة ندرس الادلة الخارجية والداخلية 

وفي الادلة الخارجية ندرس التراجم المختلفة والنصوص اليوناني والمخطوطات والترجمات القديمة لنري ليهم اصلي 

التراجم المختلفة

التراجم العربية

التي كتبت المقطع

الفانديك

4 وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا خَطَايَانَا لأَنَّنَا نَحْنُ أَيْضاً نَغْفِرُ لِكُلِّ مَنْ يُذْنِبُ إِلَيْنَا وَلاَ تُدْخِلْنَا فِي تَجْرِبَةٍ لَكِنْ نَجِّنَا مِنَ الشِّرِّيرِ».

الحياة

4 واغفر لنا خطايانا، لأننا نحن أيضا نغفر لكل من يذنب إلينا؛ ولا تدخلنا في تجربة لكن نجنا من الشرير! »

 

التي حذفته

المشتركة 

4 واغفر لنا خطايانا، لأننا نغفر لكل من يذنب إلينا. ولا تدخلنا في التجربة))،

المبسطة 

وَاغفِرْ لَنَا خَطَايَانَا، كَمَا نَغفِرُ نَحنُ أَيضَاً لِلَّذِينَ يُسِيئُونَ إلَينَا. وَلاَ تُدْخِلنا فِي تَجرِبَةِ.

البولسية 

لو-11-4: واغْفِرْ لنا خَطايانا، لأَنَّنا، نحنُ أَيضًا، نغفِرُ لكلِّ مَنْ أَساءَ إِلينا؛ ولا تُدخِلْنا في تَجْرِبَة".

اليسوعية 

4 وأعفنا من خطايانا فإننا نعفي نحن أيضا كل من لنا عليه ولا تتركنا نتعرض للتجربة )).

الكاثوليكية

لو-11-4: وأَعْفِنا مِن خَطايانا فإِنَّنا نُعْفي نَحنُ أَيضاً كُلَّ مَن لنا عليه ولا تَترُكْنا نَتَعرَّضُ لِلَّتجرِبَة )).

وبالرغم ان معظم التراجم العربي لم تكتبه ولكن  بالدراسة اكثر سنكتشف ان الفانديك التي تمثل النص التقليدي هي الاصح 

التراجم الانجيلزية 

اولا التي كتبت المقطع كامل

Luke 11:4

 

(Murdock)  and remit to us our sins, for we also remit to all that are indebted to us; and bring us not into trials, but deliver us from evil. 

 

(ALT)  'And forgive us our sins, for also we ourselves forgive every [one] being indebted to us; and do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil [or, the evil [one]].'" 

 

(ACV)  And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive every man who is indebted to us. And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. 

 

(AKJ)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

 

(ALTNT)  'And forgive us our sins, for also we ourselves forgive every [one] being indebted to us; and do not lead us into temptation, _but_ deliver us from evil [or, the evil [one]].'" 

 

(VW)  And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil. 

 

(Bishops)  And forgeue vs our synnes: For euen we forgeue euery man that trespasseth vs. And leade vs not into temptation, but delyuer vs from euyll. 

 

(CLV) And pardon us our sins, for we ourselves also are pardoning everyone who is owing us. And mayest Thou not bring us into trial, but rescue us from the wicked one.'"

 

(Mace)  and forgive us our sins: since we forgive every one that has offended us. and leave us not under temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." 

 

(EMTV)  And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." 

 

(Etheridge)  and forgive us our sins, for we also forgive all who are indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil. 

 

(EVID)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(Geneva)  And forgiue vs our sinnes: for euen we forgiue euery man that is indetted to vs: And leade vs not into temptation: but deliuer vs from euill. 

 

(GLB)  Und vergib uns unsre Sünden, denn auch wir vergeben allen, die uns schuldig sind. Und führe uns nicht in Versuchung, sondern erlöse uns von dem Übel. 

 

(HNV)  Forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. Bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'" 

 

(IAV NC)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(IAV) And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

 

(ISRAV)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(JST)  And forgive us our sins;  for we also forgive every one who is indebted to us.  And let us not be led unto temptation;  but deliver us from evil;  for thine is the kingdom and power.  Amen. 

 

(JOSMTH)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one who is indebted to us. And let us not be led unto temptation; but deliver us from evil; for thine is the kingdom and power. Amen. 

 

(KJ2000)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(KJVCNT) And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

 

(KJCNT)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(KJV)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(KJV-Clar)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(KJV-1611)  And forgiue vs our sinnes: for we also forgiue euery one that is indebted to vs. And lead vs not into temptation, but deliuer vs from euill. 

 

(KJV21)  And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." 

 

(KJVA)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(LBP)  And forgive us our sins; for we have also forgiven all who are indebted to us. And do not let us enter into temptation; but deliver us from error. 

 

(LitNT)  AND FORGIVE US OUR SINS, FOR ALSO OURSELVES WE FORGIVE EVERY ONE INDEBTED TO US; AND LEAD NOT US INTO TEMPTATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL. 

 

(LITV)  and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil. 

 

(MKJV)  and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. 

 

(Murdock R)  and remit to us our sins, for we also remit to all that are indebted to us; and bring us not into trials, but deliver us from evil. 

 

(RNKJV)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(RYLT-NT) and forgive us our sins, for also we ourselves forgive every one indebted to us; and may You not bring us into temptation; but do You deliver us from the evil.'

 

(TMB)  And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." 

 

(TRC) And forgive us our sins: For even we forgive every man that trespasseth us,(forgive all them that are debters unto us) and lead us not into temptation; But deliver us from evil Amen.

 

(Tyndale) And forgeve vs oure synnes: For eve we forgeve every man yt treaspaseth vs. And ledde vs not into teptacio. But deliver vs fro evill.

 

(Webster)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 

 

(Wesley's)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

 

(WESNT)  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. 

 

(WORNT)  for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." 

 

(WTNT) And forgive us our sins: For even we forgive every man that trespasseth us, and lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil Amen.

 

(YLT)  and forgive us our sins, for also we ourselves forgive every one indebted to us; and mayest Thou not bring us into temptation; but do Thou deliver us from the evil.' 

 

التي حذفته

 

(ASV)  And forgive us our sins; for we ourselves also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And bring us not into temptation. 

 

(BBE)  May we have forgiveness for our sins, as we make free all those who are in debt to us. And let us not be put to the test. 

 

(CEV)  Forgive our sins, as we forgive everyone who has done wrong to us. And keep us from being tempted.' " 

 

(Darby)  and remit us our sins, for we also remit to every one indebted to us; and lead us not into temptation. 

 

(DRB)  And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation. 

 

(ESV)  and forgive us our sins,

 for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.

 And lead us not into temptation."

 

(ERV)  Forgive our sins, just as we forgive everyone who has done wrong to us. And don't let us be tempted.'" 

 

(GNB)  Forgive us our sins, for we forgive everyone who does us wrong. And do not bring us to hard testing.' " 

 

(GW)  Forgive us as we forgive everyone else. Don't allow us to be tempted." 

 

(ISV)  and forgive us our sins, as we forgive everyone who sins against us. And never bring us into temptation.'" 

 

(RV)  And forgive us our sins; for we ourselves also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And bring us not into temptation. 

 

(WNT)  and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive every one who fails in his duty to us; and bring us not into temptation.'" 

ونري ان التراجم التقليدية والاغلبية بل وكثير من النقدية كتبت العدد الكامل . وفقط بعض التراجم النقدية هي التي حذفتها 

 

النسخ اليوناني 

اولا التي كتبت المقطع

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 11:4 Greek NT: Stephanus Textus Receptus (1550, with accents)
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καὶ ἄφες ἡμῖν τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν καὶ γὰρ αὐτοὶ ἀφίεμεν παντὶ ὀφείλοντι ἡμῖν· καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ


kai aphes ēmin tas amartias ēmōn kai gar autoi aphiemen panti opheilonti ēmin kai mē eisenenkēs ēmas eis peirasmon alla rusai ēmas apo tou ponērou

 

(ABP+)  AndG2532 forgiveG863 to usG1473 G3588 our sins!G266 G1473 for alsoG2532 G1063 to themG1473 we forgive --G863 to allG3956 owingG3784 us.G1473 AndG2532 do notG3361 insertG1533 usG1473 forG1519 a test!G3986 butG235 rescueG4506 usG1473 fromG575 theG3588 evil!G4190 

 

(ABP-G+)  καιG2532 αφεςG863 ημινG1473 ταςG3588 αμαρτιας ημωνG266 G1473 και γαρG2532 G1063 αυτοιG1473 αφιεμενG863 παντιG3956 οφειλοντιG3784 ημινG1473 καιG2532 μηG3361 εισενεγκηςG1533 ημαςG1473 ειςG1519 πειρασμονG3986 αλλαG235 ρυσαιG4506 ημαςG1473 αποG575 τουG3588 πονηρουG4190 

 

(GNT)  καὶ φες ἡμῖν τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν· καὶ γὰρ αὐτοὶ ἀφίεμεν παντὶ ὀφείλοντι ἡμῖν· καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόνἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ. 

 

(GNT-V)  και αφες ημιν τας αμαρτιας ημων και γαρ αυτοι Aαφιομεν TSBαφιεμεν παντι οφειλοντι ημιν και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις πειρασμον TSBαλλα TSBρυσαι TSBημας TSBαπο TSBτου TSBπονηρου 

 

(IGNT+) καιG2532 AND   αφεςG863 [G5628] FORGIVE   ημινG2254 ταςG3588 US   αμαρτιαςG266 ημωνG2257 OUR SINS,   καιG2532 γαρG1063 FOR ALSO   αυτοιG846 OURSELVES   αφιεμενG863 [G5719] WE FORGIVE   παντιG3956 EVERY ONE   οφειλοντιG3784 [G5723] INDEBTED   ημινG2254 TO US;   καιG2532 μηG3361 AND   εισενεγκηςG1533 [G5661] LEAD NOT   ημαςG2248 US   ειςG1519 INTO   πειρασμονG3986 TEMPTATION,   αλλαG235 BUT   ρυσαιG4506 [G5663] DELIVER   ημαςG2248 US   αποG575 τουG3588 FROM   πονηρουG4190 EVIL.  

 

(SNT)  και αφες ημιν τας αμαρτιας ημων και γαρ αυτοι αφιεμεν παντι οφειλοντι ημιν και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις πειρασμον αλλα ρυσαι ημας απο του πονηρου

 

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 11:4 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church
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καὶ ἄφες ἡμῖν τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν· καὶ γὰρ αὐτοὶ ἀφίεμεν παντὶ τῷ ὀφείλοντι ἡμῖν· καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ.

 

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 11:4 Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
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και αφες ημιν τας αμαρτιας ημων και γαρ αυτοι αφιεμεν παντι οφειλοντι ημιν και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις πειρασμον αλλα ρυσαι ημας απο του πονηρου
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ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 11:4 Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1550) 
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και αφες ημιν τας αμαρτιας ημων και γαρ αυτοι αφιεμεν παντι οφειλοντι ημιν και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις πειρασμον αλλα ρυσαι ημας απο του πονηρου 
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ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 11:4 Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1894)
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και αφες ημιν τας αμαρτιας ημων και γαρ αυτοι αφιεμεν παντι οφειλοντι ημιν και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις πειρασμον αλλα ρυσαι ημας απο του πονηρου

التي حذفته 


ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 11:4 Greek NT: Westcott/Hort
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και αφες ημιν τας αμαρτιας ημων και γαρ αυτοι αφιομεν παντι οφειλοντι ημιν και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις πειρασμον

 

kai aphes ēmin tas amartias ēmōn kai gar autoi aphiomen panti opheilonti ēmin kai mē eisenenkēs ēmas eis peirasmon


ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 11:4 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Ed.
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και αφες ημιν τας αμαρτιας ημων και γαρ αυτοι αφιομεν παντι οφειλοντι ημιν και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις πειρασμον

فنري ان النسخ اليوناني التي تمثل النص التقليدي والاغلبية كتبت المقطع كامل اما النسخ النقدية فحذفته 

 

المخطوطات 

اولا التي حذفته

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